As I've said I'm basically an outside observer without an inherent bias for or against either team. But this is one of the most egregious cheating scandals I've ever seen in college football. The phrase "I've got receipts" is a bit of a hackneyed phrase, but Michigan actually had receipts that Stalions had to submit for reimbursement!
But I've seen only two reactions to this scandal from the Michigan fans on this board.
- The Mdot approach. He doesn't care that Michigan cheated, in fact I think he revels in it. Because they won the championship and showed the NCAA to be the feckless organization that they are.
- The approach from pretty much every other M fan. When the allegations came out, "let's wait for all the facts". "Maybe Stalions was a lone wolf" (he wasn't. When the proof started coming out "well everyone steals signs" (but not like this). When Stalions was gone and they still were winning "well I guess it wasn't that much of an advantage so who really cares." When Harbaugh ran off to the NFL and Michigan didn't clean house and hired the guy who was there during all of this and is under NCAA investigation for deleting evidence that was later recovered, just says "oh well, we'll let the NCAA process play out."
Deflect. Minimize. Excuse.
What I haven't seen, and would expect to, is to hear: "Yeah, it was bad. It was cheating. Everyone involved should be punished. The school should have cleaned house of everyone involved, even outside the football program and into the athletic department of anyone who knew and was complicit in it. It was wrong, but please give us the grace to go and correct it the right way."
Maybe some of the Michigan fans on this board have said that and I've missed it. But I don't recall it.
This, 100% this.
^^^^^
Everything bwar just said. 100%.
I'll add that even now, Michigan fans still call out Ohio State as being a dirty cheater institution. It's been years and years since the last scandal broke there, yet even now Michigan fans bring it up.
So to expect Ohio State fans to just "drop it" while plenty of the sordid story has just recently come out, and current staff are STILL under further investigation, is not only unrealistic-- it's silly.
This too.
This IS the problem
@SuperMario . I never thought I'd say this but at this point I have more respect for
@Mdot21 than I do for you. He just called me a:
whining little pussy.
Then he said a bunch of other crap. It is exactly as
@betarhoalphadelta just said:
- The Mdot approach. He doesn't care that Michigan cheated, in fact I think he revels in it. Because they won the championship and showed the NCAA to be the feckless organization that they are.
He clearly doesn't give a rat's behind about character. As bwar said, he revels in Michigan's cheating.
The difference between you and him is at least he has the balls to own it. You don't and so long as that remains the case I'll keep calling you out for it and if that means this board is dead to you then leave. But before you do:
I want you to understand where I am coming from. If you had told me two years ago that Michigan would engage in:
one of the most egregious cheating scandals I've ever seen in college football.
and further that it would be proven as in:
The phrase "I've got receipts" is a bit of a hackneyed phrase, but Michigan actually had receipts that Stalions had to submit for reimbursement!
I'd have thought it was some lone wolf or *MAYBE* Harbaugh but that once the evidence was presented the institution would have the self respect to:
The school should have cleaned house of everyone involved, even outside the football program and into the athletic department of anyone who knew and was complicit in it. It was wrong, but please give us the grace to go and correct it the right way."
but they didn't. They stepped further into it. The entire institution is now complicit. There is no "Institutional Control". The inmates are running the asylum. There was no cleaning house. They actually signed a contract with a guy who obstructed an NCAA investigation.
If you had told me this two years ago I would NEVER have believed you. I had enough respect for the institution such that I simply wouldn't have believed it. But all of the above happened. None of it is wild-eyed tOSU fan/Michigan hater allegations, it is factual and I intentionally quoted neutral posters, fans of Purdue and Texas so as to emphasize that this is NOT standard-issue rivals poking at each other.
The above deals with the institution. Now I'll move on to you:
I'm frankly shocked by your reaction (or lack thereof) to this. A few weeks ago I said that I was shocked by Mdot's reaction and bwar called me out on it. He was right, nothing should shock me from mdot. I shouldn't be shocked that the flagrant cheating, destruction of evidence, and just total lack of ethics from the University of Michigan doesn't bother him. You
@SuperMario are a different situation. Much like the institution you root for, if someone had told me two years ago that Michigan would engage in what (neutral fan) bwar called "one of the most egregious cheating scandals (he'd) ever seen in college football" I would have expected that you would not stand behind that. I would have expected that your reaction would have been something along the lines of:
"Yeah, it was bad. It was cheating. Everyone involved should be punished. The school should have cleaned house of everyone involved, even outside the football program and into the athletic department of anyone who knew and was complicit in it. It was wrong, but please give us the grace to go and correct it the right way."
But the sad fact is:
Maybe some of the Michigan fans on this board have said that and I've missed it. But I don't recall it.
That is sad and pathetic.
When Tressel got caught failing to disclose an email, some of us (tOSU fans) on here supported his termination. We were saddened but we KNEW that he had to go. We didn't want our institution to accept that behavior.
Two years ago I would have expected at least some Michigan fans to respond like that and I would have expected you to be one of them. Are there ANY Michigan fans here who can distinguish right from wrong?
